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http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/hyperstudio-41

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QuickTime 4
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https://www.mackiev.com/hyperstudio/select.html
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Did HyperStudio actually include an xTalk language? I was aware of it but I never tried it because from it's advertising it seemed like it was a HyperCard without the HyperTalk, solely for use as multimedia audthoring tool?

I guess it can't hurt to give it a try now, since I'm dusting off my G4 to look at Oracle Media Objects.
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Oh they're still in existence, and they have an HTML5 engine too!
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Not really HyperTalk, but "Rog" previously worked on SuperCard,
and, going on his subsequent 'puff' "Roger Wagner's HyperStudio"
left there as his EGO was getting hungry. 8-)
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HyperStudio was an Apple IIGS product initially. You could run it today on a vintage IIGS or using a IIGS emulator like Sweet16.

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Free versions for Windows and Mac here: visually very impressive.

https://www.mackiev.com/hyperstudio/select.html

Versions 5 and up are made in such a way that one CANNOT get at the underlying LOGO language.

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Here's an article from 2008 (Yup: 2008), that, oddly enough, raises some points that are still relevant right now in 2023 (um, err, 2024), and as such warrants reading:

https://www.mackiev.com/hyperstudio/reviews/nzmac.html

My most 'lumpy' quote is this one:

"Of course, there is a flip-side to such a superb new version of HyperStudio after all these years. You might want (as I did) to dust of your old HyperStudio stacks and take a look at them. But the ability to play older stacks isn't guaranteed. For example, HyperLogo, a scripting language that could be used within previous versions is not present."

emphases are mine.

This one contains a lie, and a quite important lie at that:

https://www.mackiev.com/hyperstudio/rev ... topia.html

'He told me good news: HyperStudio is back with a vengeance. It has all the old features and a bunch of new ones, such as podcasting and movie-making capabilities."

One of the 'old features' has gone: the whole PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE.
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This made me laugh . . . making something simple to help model for something to be made in LiveCode:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=38851
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- Robust drag and drop capabilities with a "tear-off" Library palette with access to both built-in and user objects, graphics, audio, animation & video.
- A tear-off Layout palette with icons for grid, snap, guideline, alignment controls, flipping & rotating orientation
- A tear-off Tools palette with a color picker expanded to handle gradients and textures very nicely, including a range of presets as well as a chooser button that will take you to your photo library.
- a story board mode to display small versions of your cards and move them around to reorder. Also a toggle to show a visual card index.
- conversion back and forth between bit-mapped images and graphic objects
- The ability to magnify the screen in real time as well as a full screen presentation mode and slide show options
- export to HTML 5, as a video podcast (M4V), QuickTime Movie (mov) or image sequence (png).
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richmond62 wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:46 am This made me laugh . . . making something simple to help model for something to be made in LiveCode:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=38851
Yeah, I don't get it. I've done enough porting back and forth between xTalks and other things that I suspect what we're seeing there is an initial enthusiasm that will fade as the workflow progresses.
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I know some people used HyperCard as a 'prototyping' tool back in the day, I would think there's some users that use LC as a proto-typing tool for something else now. I never even consider a tool to prototype PRIOR to building it in LC/OXT. Seems an alien concept to me.

I will say that Hyperstudio had some nice hand-holding 'wizards' which might be nice to have something similar in OXT for beginners and youngsters, not 'No-Code' but more like pre-coded examples templates for some basic tasks or use-cases (like a basic 'powerpoint' Slide-Show use for example).
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To be honest I think of LiveCode and HyperStudio as things that started out almost identically . . .

Correct me if I am wrong, but I have a feeling that Roger Wag made HyperStudio as a rip-off from HyperCard, but using a modified form of LOGO as the underlying programming language.

So LiveCode, as the main successor to HyperCard (via MetaCard) . . . (let's regard Supercard as an 'also ran' as it appears to be fading into the sunset at the moment) has developed the HyperTalk language into something a lot more capable than what it was in HyperCard.

HyperStudio has both tarted up the interface and added lots of premade, drag-and-drop objects, and either killed off or locked away its programming language.

Of course, with LC/OXT one can do ALL the things

(well: movies? decent image rotation?)

that HyperStudio can do: but quite a lot of what HyperStudio can do requires the xTalk programmer with LC/OXT to do a spot of heavy lifting.

Of course this means that with LC/OXT one is less restrained as to how far one can go.
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richmond62 wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:04 pm So LiveCode, as the main successor to HyperCard (via MetaCard) . . . (let's regard Supercard as an 'also ran' as it appears to be fading into the sunset at the moment) has developed the HyperTalk language into something a lot more capable than what it was in HyperCard.
I'd say that HyperStudio is as sunsetted as SuperCard is at the moment.
I'd also point out that SuperCard and others added a lot of additions early on (circa 1989). I think MC was more of a Unix clone of SC than it was a clone of HC. Also, HyperCard itself became a more capable xTalk with additions available in the form of XCMDs/XFCNs. In fact most things added in MC/RunRev were doable in HyperCard in the 1990s (and I suspect 'inspired' many of those RunRev additions). I'm talking about using 'Arrays', Read/Write of arbitrary Binary data on disk and those sorts of things, movies, color-picts, buttons with color icns, etc.
richmond62 wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:04 pm Of course, with LC/OXT one can do ALL the things

(well: movies? decent image rotation?)
Is there a problem with image rotation? Are its results not high enough quality?

I'm working on Movies on Linux problem full blast right now (while also learning a bunch about various GNOME APIs).
I'm not aware of specific player problems on Mac, WIn, or mobile.
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I will say that Hyperstudio had some nice hand-holding 'wizards' which might be nice to have something similar in OXT for beginners and youngsters, not 'No-Code' but more like pre-coded examples templates for some basic tasks or use-cases (like a basic 'powerpoint' Slide-Show use for example).
Indeed: as I have commented elsewhere: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=587&hilit=Primary

And getting "there" slowly:
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